that -- >> from the vatican -- [laughter] >> nothing or pulse -- repulsive about the performance. it was in keeping with the kinds of performances you see among young singers -- >> yes, that is the point. >> i thought she danced very well, sang very well. >> she is a great performer, but it is so overt. >> coats up to her neck -- >> no, but there is a difference between petticoats of your neck and that kind of bumping -- >> did you turn off the tv? >> yeah, actually. >> oh, come on, if you turn it off -- [laughter] >> there is a great latin phrase -- no point arguing about matters of taste. i come down one evan's side. i felt the same way about madonna and lady gaga. what ever happened to it subtlety? i stipulate that beyonce is a talented and beautiful -- >> about bumps and grinds -- >> do you think subtlety is overrated, nina? [laughter] >> in the greater scheme of things, i thought this was hardly the most lewd and vulgar thing -- wait, wait, you argued a lot. there is way worse on television, whalers language and everything. it is not my personal thing, but it did not jump ou